Trinitarian Theology Q & A

The Trinitarian theology teaches men to believe that there is One God,  now, the father not being God, the son not being God and the Holy Spirit not being God, instead the three working together makes up the one God. This would mean the father, the son and the Holy Spirit, shares God like qualities, as “they” are co-equal, co-existing having co-knowledge, co-power, but  yet separate and different. The father is not God nor is he the son nor is he the Holy Spirit. The son is not God nor is he the father nor is he the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit isn’t God nor is he the son neither is he the father. But the three exist together as three separated and distinct persons with three separated and distinct wills, or minds making up the One God.  The following questions are asked often by the Trinity followers to discredit the belief of those that don’t share the trinity concept.

Is Jesus His own Father?

This question was asked by a trinity believer because Trinitarians believes that Jesus and the father are two separate wills, and are two separate persons working as one. It is important to understand their logic, because by their lodic we will prove that God is one and not three. Trinitarians will not confess that the father and the son are two difference Gods working together as one, although they often refer to the father as “FATHER GOD”.   The core of the trinity doctrine causes them to believe that the son helped the father create him-self, and so the son must at the least get half the credit and half the fatherhood. Furthermore,  there own doctrine teaches that the father is not God and the son is not God and the holy Ghost is not God, but together the father, son and Holy Ghost they make up the one God.  So without the son there is no God, and without the God there is no creation. Therefore we must conclude since the three are working together as one, they must all share the fatherhood since they all makeup the Godhead.  We’re all aware that the doctrine of the trinity clearly teaches that the father, son and Holy Ghost are coequal.  Coequal means equal in size, rank, or status to another.  If this is true then the father is the son and the son is the father and the Holy Ghost is the father and the son. Thus, the son is his own father by the teaching of the trinity since there is no God without the son.

The Monotheist belief teaches there is ONLY ONE GOD and that God is along GOD by himself.

Was Jesus praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane? If Jesus was praying to the divine side of Himself, then isn’t He still praying to Himself”?

The Trinitarians doctrine teaches that Jesus was praying to himself. How so? If the father is not God and the son is not God and the Holy Ghost is not God, but together the father, son and Holy Ghost they make up the one God. Then Jesus was praying to at least a portion of himself.  Some would dare to say, “He was praying to the father”. But why, if the father isn’t God without the son why is the son praying to the father? Didn’t the father cease to be God in the absent of the son? But if the father continued to be God without the son, then the trinity doctrine is a lie. But if the father and the son and the Holy Ghost truly makes up the one God then by their own doctrine Jesus was still present with the father, and while on earth he had to be praying to himself. I guess the question should be why was Jesus praying to the father? Didn’t he know according to Trinitarians that the father could not help him without the assistance of the Holy Ghost and himself?  So according to Trinitarians theology Jesus was praying a senseless prayer.

Who was Jesus praying to when he said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me”?

The Trinitarians doctrine teaches that the father is not God, the son is not God and the Holy Spirit is not God, but the three working together makes up the one God. Thus, Jesus was praying in part to himself according to the doctrine of the trinity. Better yet, he was also praying too the other two persons (father and Holy Ghost), will, minds within himself asking them why are they forsaken him. If this is not true, then the trinity doctrines don’t represent God properly.  The trinity doctrine tries to confuse us by asking us off the wall questions, however, the same off the wall questions must be answered the trinity doctrine. They also believe in principle there is only one God.  So who was Jesus praying too, if the father isn’t God and the son isn’t God and the holy spirit isn’t God? Perhaps he was praying to a  third of himself, a third to the father and the other third to the holy ghost. In which we would still have to conclude that he was still praying to himself.

Why was Jesus not saying, “Not My will, but your will be done?” if there is only one person and one will involved when He was praying in”.

The Trinitarians doctrine teaches that the father, son and Holy Ghost all have three separated wills. However, somehow these three “WILLS” work together to form “ONE” will in the one God. Thus when Jesus stated, “Not My will, but your will be done?” God was confused. As a matter of fact, whose will was he talking about, since the father not being God, the son not being God and the Holy Spirit not being God, but the three working together makes the one God.  I need to know, whose wills was being DONE?

“If God is only one person, why did Jesus

say in John 14:23, “If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” If God is only one person, why does Jesus say, “we”?

The Trinitarian theology teaches men to believe that there is One God, the father not being God, the son not being God and the Holy Spirit not being God, but the three working together makes the one God.

Where is the Holy Ghost in the question? If the father and the son stand the in absents of the Holy Spirit God doesn’t exist according to the Trinitarian doctrine. Why does Jesus only mention the father and not the Holy Spirit? Why doesn’t he say and we shall go unto to “THEM” instead of him? Is the father God? Not according to the Trinitarian doctrine, the father is not God, the son is not God and the Holy Spirit is not God. Thus according to their own doctrine it doesn’t make since why Jesus would be praying to the father when the father isn’t God without the son and without the Holy Spirit. Remember the three working together makes the one God.

Dear beneficiary of the Kingdom of God,

The Trinitarian doctrine has more holes then Swiss cheese. Whenever you are confronted with questions regarding oneness, make sure you ask Trinitarian the same questions reminding them of their own belief in one God. Once you understand the concept behind the Trinitarian doctrine, One God, the father not being God, the son not being God and the Holy Spirit not being God, but the three working together makes the one God, you will easily over through the myths and convert many to the truth.

LIVE FOREVER
CLARK

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14 thoughts on “Trinitarian Theology Q & A

  1. “This question was asked by a trinity believer because Trinitarians believes that Jesus and the father are two separate wills”

    What do you mean by “two separate wills”?

  2. Two separate wills, is how Trinitarians interpret the relationship between the father and the son. Because Jesus said “NOT” my will BUT thy “WILL”, Trinitarians interpret this relationship between the father and the son as two wills. If there is two wills as they believe then there is either TWO spirits or God is bipolar. If there’s only one spirit in the Godhead Trinitarians interpretion of the relationship between the father and the son is wrong.

    If Jesus is God or make up and share equality with the father as Trinitarians interpret this relationship between the father and the son. Then why did Jesus say “NOT my will BUT thy “WILL”? Don’t they share equality? If Jesus and the father are equal as Trinitarians interprets, why does Jesus confess that the father is greater then “HIMSELF”?

    1. Sorry, it looks like i posted this in the wrong place; here it is again:

      Well, how is the two wills explained in a Oneness point of view? we cannot ignore what Jesus said in His prayer.

  3. Well, how is the two wills explained in a Oneness point of view? we cannot ignore what Jesus said in His prayer.

  4. Dear Carlos,

    I don’t expect anyone to ignore what Jesus said in His prayer. However if there is “Three Wills in the Godhead” we must confess that there’s really three spirits, three beings and three being equal three Gods.

    The bible won’t allow me to believe in three Gods, three spirits, or three beings in the Godhead. The word “Godhead” in the Greek merely expresses the deity of the One God. Therefore as it is written, “In him (Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the deity bodily”. This would confirm scriptures like “Jesus is the express image of the ONE GOD in his person” and God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.

    Carlos I must admit I believe in one God and one God alone. However, do I claim to understand everything about the one God I believe in? No sir. But one thing is for sure, he is one and even Trinitarians in their doctrine would agree. The difference however is what I don’t understand about the one God I’m not ashamed to admit I don’t always have any answer. What Trinitarians have done in the meantime is came up an answer for what they can’t understand and what the bible is not completely clear on. Clearly the bible is plain on there being ONE GOD. Now what the bible isn’t clear on is the trinity, “Three Wills in the Godhead”, three spirits, or three beings making up that one God.

    I know some people fill weak and powerless to admit they don’t have an answer when they’re confronted with a question that challenges their faith. I simply believe if the bible isn’t clear on a subject I’m safe says “I don’t have an answer” rather then making up one to save face.

  5. So, what are we to do if we come accross scripture and we do not understand it? do we skip it or do we investigate and seek truth?

    You asked the asking “who’s will is being DONE?”

    Trinitarians can answer it, but it is not the answer you are looking for. So, do not skip this passage, investigate and seek truth. Jesus admits He has a will and that the Father does too.

    1. “Trinitarians can answer it, but it is not the answer you are looking for”. -Carlos

      Brother Clark answers- Truth is verified by truth. God is truth and so truth will always guide us to God and the knowledge of God. Trinitarians have an answer, but their answer is not according to truth. The bible teaches there is only one God. Therefore how we interpret scriptures must be in accordance to this truth. If God is ONE why does Trinitarians have “them” instead of “him”? I once was a Trinitarian and I have no problems receiving truth from a Trinitarian. Nothing personal.

      “So, what are we to do if we come accross scripture and we do not understand it? do we skip it or do we investigate and seek truth”? -Carlos

      Brother Clark answers- As I’ve said before truth is God and God is truth. If we lack knowledge about truth we must seek God. However, until he gives us truth it is in our best interest not to publish our opinions off as truth. The trinity is nothing more then growing opinions established by a non Christian phosphor and embraced by those confessing to know God.

      “You asked the asking “who’s will is being DONE?” –Carlos

      Brother Clark answers- In order to seek and too receive truth you have to lay aside falsehood. Truth is verified by truth, this means, the Holy Scriptures will testify of itself to what truth is. This confirmation of truth by truth is witness countless of times in the scriptures. For instance, as our LORD Jesus suffered of the cross he utters these words “My God my God why have you forsaken me”. As you know, being ignorance of truth, Trinitarians assert these words help establish the doctrine of a trinity in the Godhead.

      Now because they have been opinionated by the doctrine of the trinity they can not understand how truth confirms truth. “My God my God why have you forsaken me” was never spoken by the LORD to establish the doctrine of a trinity. Instead our LORD spoke these words as a fulfillment of the Psalm which recorded the end of his life on earth. (READ Psalm 22)

      The scene in the garden is recorded in the Psalm. “If it be possible, let this cup pass”, “Not as I will, but as Thou will and the writers express the intensity of the end of his life saying “He sweated great drops of blood”. These acts are the completions of predictions. The LORD said in his suffering, “My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death”. The Psalmist prophetically spoke of the end of his life saying “I have cried desperately for help, but still it does not come. During the day I call to you, my God, but you do not answer; I call at night, but get no rest.” And again “My strength is gone, gone like water spilled on the ground. All my bones are out of joint; my heart is like melted wax. My throat is as dry as dust, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth. You have left me for dead in the dust”.

      You see, Carlos, the scene in the garden had nothing to do with a trinity. But rather had everything to do with the fulfillment of truth previously spoken in the prophets. These prophecies assist to understand that Jesus was truly the Christ and that he was truly suffering in his humanity. “Not as I will, but as Thou will” was never intended to promote a trinity, no more then when God asking Adam “Where are you Adam” or when he asked Cain “Where’s your brother”, promotes the idea that God lacked understanding.

      For surly, Jesus knew he would suffer the cross as witness in his saying “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” and again “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again”, and again “I lay down my life for the sheep”.

      Drink in falsehood Trinitarians trip over the understanding of the purpose of the acts of Christ in the garden. As I’ve said before truth is God and God is truth. If we lack knowledge about truth we must seek God. However, until he gives us truth it is in our best interest not to publish our opinions off as truth. The prophets never spoke of a trinity so why should I believe in?

  6. I’ve been reading here and it is good reading. But Jesus is black I totally reject as a heresy.
    Commons sense says he could never be black.
    Most people would never accept that.

  7. Isaiah 9:6…The Son is the Everlasting Father.

    We are created in the “IMAGE and LIKENESS” of God. Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1.

    Let’s look at ourselves. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 mentions “three” words about us. We are:
    1. SPIRIT “AND”
    2. Soul “AND”
    3. Body.

    James 2:26 states that if my spirit, which is me, is not in my body, then I am deader than a door nail.

    LIFE, REQUIRES A BODY. If we have a LIVING God, the God has a Body.

    John 4:24 states that God is a spirit. Good. But that is only one part of three.

    IF I have a PHYSICAL body, then so does God. If I have a soul, so does God.

    During the ministry of Jesus, where was the Father? Was he in Heaven ONLY? NO….HE was “IN” Jesus. We as Christians, can we claim that we have the FATHER in us? NO. We have the Holy Spirit…Listen Carefully, We have the MIND (Soul) of Christ.

    The Greek word for SOUL is Psucke, transliterated to Latin is Psyche, transliterated to English is “MIND”. Your Mind is your soul. And we have the SOUL of Christ.

    That is the Holy Spirit.

    I could go on and on and on, including John 1:1 and 10:30, and a whole slew of others, however, bottom line is this:

    1. The Spirit of the Son is the Father, just as the spirit of you is you.
    2. The Body of the Father is the Son, just as the body of you is you.
    3. The soul of the Son is the Holy Spirit (the mind of Christ), just as your soul of you is you.

    The Glory that Jesus had with the Father was an Eternal Body, rather than the mortal dying body that he had in John 17.

    We are taught the phrase “THE BODY OF CHRIST”. That has serious significance, both carnally, and spiritually. But most people just don’t get it, except to say that Christians are the Body of Christ…other than professing it, they have no clue as to it’s meaning.

    There is ONE Spirit (Father) and there is ONE Body (Of Christ). Together, they (Father and Son) make ONE PERSON.

    Again, James 2:26, without you (spirit) in your body, your dead.

    The word Christian can be equated to “LIVES IN CHRIST, THE BODY OF”. The -ians indicate this, as Canad -ians live in Canada, so Christ -ians live in the Body of Christ.

    Our spirit lives in the Body of Christ, and HIS Spirit lives in us.

    “I in him and he in me” (John 17).

    Born Again is bringing God’s Spirit (The Mind of Christ) to live in OUR Body, along with our spirit, and God will NEVER LEAVE US, NOR FORSAKE US.

    Sin Separates God from Man, however, sin is the transgression of the law, and the law was taken away, so NOTHING CAN SEPARATED US with the statement “I will never leave you, nor forsake you”.

    That is just one segment of a long segment that proves “once saved always saved”, and it deals with “Law vs. Grace”.

    Before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT imputed (counted against you) where there is NO LAW.

    Babies don’t go to hell, as God never departed them, because in order for that to happen, they had to have known the difference between good and evil (Deuteronomy 1:39).

    Anyway, I say all this to show that God is Spirit (Father) and Body (Son) and Soul (Holy Spirit).

    Oh, I can expound more, too.

    Ya, I know the theories of what churches teach, but a lot of things churches teach originated from the Catholic Church, such as, babies go to hell (original sin), etc. Can’t buy into that logic. No way, no how!

  8. When Jesus on the cross states “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me”, just saying that he was fulfilling prophesy from Psalms is an incomplete answer.

    Sin separates God from Man. It was at this point that Jesus took mankind’s sin upon himself. That is the complete answer. God does not separate himself from man otherwise.

  9. Mr. Chapman, I see you’re really enjoying my word-press, you sort of remind me of myself in my early days. Let’s take this one subject at a time. Please choose one, and we will move forward.

  10. Hello…yes I do enjoy it. I had time today, as I work nite shift tonight. However, I find that there are a lot of things we agree on, just only a few minor ones of disagreements.

    But I would be happy to discuss them. I have just finished responding to all that I could find, so now I guess that you will have to choose which one we discuss next.

    Anyway, I have to get ready for work. Take Care and looking forward to hearing from ya!

    Ed Chapman

  11. “Sin separates God from Man. It was at this point that Jesus took mankind’s sin upon himself. That is the complete answer. God does not separate himself from man otherwise.”

    That’s a common belief, but the bible does support that correlation of Jesus says, and God leaving. Sound good thought.

    1. The story of Adam and Eve begins that they had communion with God, until…they had knowledge of good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil is the prerequisite of God leaving.

      Deuteronomy 1:39 supports, as well as Romans Chapters 4-7, and Hebrews 13.

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